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I really feel the news media in their crusade against tech really did the public a disservice by not explaining what happened precisely.

It’s not about whether these companies are in the right or not, but more about how we as a society address the consequences of how their products operate.

When the media mischaracterizes this stuff it makes the public perception's of what’s going on frankly becomes ridiculous and makes it easy for corporations to dismiss detractors as kooks.


In this specific case it also takes some of the burden away from Feckless political campaigns that failed to effectively use the tools at their disposal. The public then doesn’t have as clear of a picture of who might actually be capable Of winning next time.

What, yall don’t like X?

You can't see comments without signing in and there's dickovers so it's nice to have a privacy respecting alternative.

I am a fan of xcancel, havent used nitter. was just joking a bit. I do use X because its the only place where ML people share anything, but its a gross gross place for sure!

Xcancel is nitter.

Ahh I see, thanks!

Is the headphone jack that much of a deal breaker? USB-c headphones seem pretty common now.

Almost all hifi headphones/earplugs use the standard audio jack

And they work with adapters do they not? Do you really need hifi headphones at all times with your portable phone? Seems a little strange.

I just wanna know, what does it do when I dock? Are we talking iPad mini level kvm docking or iPad m-series?

They can charge as much as they think people will pay for.

Fact is, having a better pocket computer (that is your only pocket computer I might add) is probably going to have a lot of value for people.


The answer to this question seems obvious. There are no 42 year olds that retire by merely "saving and not over spending" when even one child is involved.

Yes there are. My brother in law sold his startup and is sufficiently retired while raising my nephews. Not a common case, by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not zero.

I used my words carefully when I said "retire by merely 'saving and not over spending'".

Your brother in law did not merely save and not over spend, he built a business and sold it for a large payout.


Nope. Before the kids we had an incredible savings rate. Sometimes around 80-90%.

Now our spending is much higher but the growth of our investments over the last 10 years has been incredible and outpaced that by a large margin.

For a while I thought some startup stock I had was going to fund a lavish retirement but then AI largely destroyed the value of those shares so we're just planning on the boring index funds.


I said “saving and not over spending”; do folks on HN really have trouble with reading and comprehension?

I said nothing of investments and growth.


My apologies, I thought it was obvious that if you saved 90% of your salary, you would, in fact, then invest it.

Ahh, I see what you mean. When I read the original comment it seemed like a regular save and spend less approach. If some saving in index funds was obvious, I am sorry for my assumption.

WebKit, clang, the llvm backend for arm64

webkit is a fork from KDE, so "initiated" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

llvm also existed from before although apple supported the development.

I was curious if apple had actually started any FOSS project.


Swift comes to mind, and this website has more https://opensource.apple.com/projects/ (it lists WebKit, but I guess they count WebKit after it split from KHTML, I’d agree with you there)

Also, Bonjour originated at Apple and it is cross-platform, although Avahi probably is more popular

CUPS is associated with Apple as well, but it seems that it also did not originate there


I was going to say swift, but I figured someone would undercount that because it is so overly relevant as an iOS/Mac development language even though it really is a pretty good portable language. But man... undercounting webkit and clang+llvm is a new level of ignorance..

It is ignorance to call them apple projects when they really aren't. The copyright notice of webkit is full of emails like @kde.org… wonder why it's not entirely @apple.com?

The majority of the advancements done to make the standards compliant browser with great js performance were done at Apple. Going by the copyright notice as the the source of a vast majority of the dev in the 2000s seems pretty special.

They asked about ‘originated’ in particular.

Clang and the arm64 backend did literally originate at Apple. Not sure what you want me to tell you.

That's the first thing I saw in the copyright file

Copyright: 2003-2017 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.


Do you think it was made at Urbana because it uses the uiuc license? I suppose you think everything that uses the mit license originated in cambridge

Apologies, I focused on LLVM as a whole. You are right about clang (and I didn’t know about the arm64 backend)

Actually the arm64 backend is a grey area. I knew some guys that worked on it in secret at Apple. They definitely created and Developed it at Apple and dropped it on the community after the iPhone 5s launched, replacing the existing aarch64 backend.

I’m not 100% certain if they started with any bits of the previous aarch64 backend or not though.


Last I heard from CUPS they fired the only guy who was working on it?

last thing i found https://mjtsai.com/blog/2025/03/26/apples-dormant-cups/


In both cases you're undercounting apples investment just to make a really dense point on HN.

1) khtml was a really minimal renderer in KDE before apple pumped tens of millions into turning it into the first really modern web2.0 browser, you really can not underestimate the amount of money jobs was willing to pump to make that thing what it became by the time the iphone launched.

2) llvm was essentially apple's bet on a grad student hire and him and his lab's academic project. I knew and worked with several of those former uiuc guys. llvm and clang as we know them today were heavily built at apple.

Also, you are totally (and purposefully probably) misquoting me. I said __clang__ and the __llvm arm64 backend__ were done by apple, and they were almost entirely from scratch from the start at Apple.


I believe the word "originated" has a very precise meaning.

A meaning which seems definitely lost on you for two of my three examples.

Don’t get baited into discussing with a troll (who’s not discussing to gain a shared understanding)

You’re right

Going back a few years, they open source’d their media streaming server, DSS: https://github.com/macosforge/dss

One of my favorites is also ALAC.

Another thing is, the M1 and later hardware is still years later some of the best arm64 hardware youre going to find. Combine that with the really affordable prices you can find on the used market and Linux arm64 on this kind of great hardware at a low price is quite appealing.

Target user is someone that wants to use Linux on good hardware. Apple hardware has some of the best perf-per-single-thread-perf-per-watt there is. Also, apple desktops are really compact and easy to keep out of the way while having really good performance too.

My current linux PC cuda machine is the latest Intel Ultra 9 mini PC from minisforum, and it still isnt quite as fast as a years old M1/M2. The only thing it has that the mac doesnt is cuda egpu support.


Sounds like you haven't used Asahi. I found the kde remix to be pretty nice to use. Literally the only thing that I found frustrating was:

1) for the longest time, but no longer, Google did not ship an official chrome linux arm64 package. Chromium Browser also has not included google sync for years now. But now, google chrome does ship for arm64 linux so its all good.

2) usb-c video still doesn't work, so not ideal for a laptop without hdmi that you'd want to dock

Otherwise, it works really well.


Good to know, but even in a well rounded Linux it seems you hit several mini-annoyances every day

Case in point, any form of package management. Or then you have Flatpack, with its own list of issues


That’s broadly the problem with all distros on all platforms though. I meant to highlight that as far as distros go asahi is not bad.

Yes I understand, it does seem like it's one of the most rounded ones

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