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You mean when they said they are doing safety evaluation and hardening? I'm having the same fear as you.


Yes, exactly.


It's an axiom that the modern Western mind is built upon.


The foundational failing I see in my countrymen is the notion that China can't innovate. Their economic reliance on exports is not untrue. Just like their reliance on energy imports is a fact (though one that we are seeing right now become more questionable.)

The average American will keep shouting over and over again that "China can't innovate" while they quietly and slowly tick off every box on their checklist of issues. It doesn't end well for us.


Do you have any numbers on the solve quality? Exploitability numbers etc.


You can use geekbench 5 in that case. But given that they deprecated that, it might be harder to compare to others.


I agree. For me personally I mostly only care about single thread geekbench variant, I believe it's an excellent proxy for general performance of a CPU. Multi thread geekbench (or other benchmarks) for most purposes and for most people, it's kinda useless. You just need to know that you have a quite a few cores on your computer and that it will have enough concurrency for what you do. But single thread will make whatever you do actually faster.


There are plenty of things for which the results of single-threaded benchmarks are completely irrelevant, like the compilation of a big software project.

There are also things that are well-correlated with the single-threaded Geekbench result, like how responsive will appear an Internet browser, but for many professional uses the multi-threaded performance is much more important than the single-threaded performance.

For many CPUs, and depending on the computers in which they are installed, the single-threaded and multi-threaded results are completely uncorrelated, because during the multi-threaded benchmark the clock frequency in some computer may drop even 4 times (there are Intel CPUs with a so big ratio between the maximum turbo frequency and the base frequency), while in another computer it might drop only by 20%.


In computer science, one definition of algorithm is basically any program that runs on a turing machine. By that definition, any LLM is an algorithm.


Lol yet I've used Apple and Android phones extensively and would choose Android every single time.


He's talking about the plans, you are talking about API prices.


Absolutely do not pay for the kimi plans thinking they will be cheaper. If you sign up with a Chinese phone number, you can get the same plan for 200 yuan instead of 200 usd, it also only accepts Chinese payment methods iirc. So the plans are really made for Chinese userbase.


That sounds complicated. I'll just use my month of Kimi and then cancel. I have too many AI subscriptions to use them all, anyway. I subscribed mostly to test it. I mean, if it turned out to be competitive, I would keep it, but if it doesn't turn out to really excel and anything and also take longer than Claude or OpenAI models, I'll stick with them.


It is complicated, but paying for the cheaper usd plans really don't get you much usage.


Wow! Does it accept a foreign alipay/wechat pay account?


YMMV, but I'm a US citizen with a KYC'd Alipay account and I was able to subscribe for the Chinese price...

... but I borrowed a friend's +86 phone number, which you'll need to even see that price. or maybe a 回国 VPN will work.


Those exist?


I've had an Alipay account since 2006 and never been to China.

Of course they exist, Alipay is from Alibaba, think about who typically buys from OEMs/suppliers there...


No idea lol, didn't even know those exist..


how do we get chinese phone numbers?


esim


Nah that won't work. I don't know tbh, I just used someone else's number.


how do I find someone to use their number when I'm not in china and don't know anyone in china?


not gonna happen. China has strict real name verification for SIMs.


GPT should be better at these optimization problems given that they won the recent atcoder heuristics competition against top humans. And Anthropic is less focused on these types of things.


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