Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | Maxious's commentslogin

OpenAI version of events conceed some of the words alleged to have been used may have been used https://x.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140 https://x.com/SebastienBubeck/status/2097379411691516310

> "When we learned that they had Euler but not Navier-Stokes, we offered to let them go first, to suggest that they should be the ones to get the prize, and optionally for Tristan to be the lead author on a rewrite of the OpenAI proof. We felt it was challenging to offer the same to Levent (an Anthropic employee), who was not willing to talk or coordinate with us anyway. We were open to other solutions."

What an admission! "We tried to defraud Alpöge out of sharing the Millenium Prize (that we don't dispute he might actually deserve), for no other reason than he works for our competitor and that inconveniences us".

I thought Tristan Buckmaster's allegations sounded fantastic; and then 'sama just came out (tweet's ~30 minutes old) and admitted to all of them. Wow!


That isn't what the quoted passage says though? The claim by openai (no idea if true) is that they offered to wait for the other two to claim the prize before publishing their own work. Separately, they also offered to let one of the pair (but not the other) become an author on their own separate work.

Can't wait for the moment when AGI realizes how stupid and dishonest its owners are.

Wait, people now want AGI to be sentient too?

Interesting that they quote the mathematician directly: “there is nothing you can do, I simply do not trust you”

but then they proceed to NOT quote themselves themselves verbatim: "I deeply apologize for this extremely poor choice of words, it is the opposite of what I was trying to convey."


> "I deeply apologize for this extremely poor choice of words, it is the opposite of what I was trying to convey."

The AI-isms are seeping into their speech :)


May be unfairly jaded or just well calibrated given the body of evidence, but I can't help but think of another quote about OpenAI leadership:

> Not consistently candid


In what world a tweet and a screenshot of a private convo are evidence of good faith? Plain sociopathic behavior.

In Schneider's 1995 book he estimated factoring a 512-bit number would take roughly 30,000 MIPS-years (a one-million-instruction-per-second computer running for one year).

When a research team actually factored RSA-155 in August 1999, it took 8,400 MIPS-years due to efficiencies discovered. It still took 35 CPU-years spread across a cluster of 300 fast SGI/SUN workstations and Pentium II PCs (400-500 MIPS each), crunching in parallel for seven months. https://cs.ccsu.edu/~pelletie/local/risks/cryptography/Facto...

Robert Silverman, a senior research scientist at RSA Laboratories, published an analysis projecting these new hardware requirements against Moore's Law. His expectation was that within 10 years (roughly 2009–2010), common desktop machines would possess the speed and memory necessary to handle a 512-bit factorization entirely on their own. https://cr.yp.to/bib/2000/silverman.pdf


I don't know how fast my CPU cores are in MIPS, but it's 4.5 Ghz and some random googling indicates that might be about 10 MIPS per Mhz, so 45,000 Dhrystone MIPS.

And assuming about ((32x32 core-hours) / 8766 (hours/year)) x 45,000 = 5256 MIPS-years.

So within the order of magnitude of the 1999 factoring! Of course, the MIPS number is kinda made up, so


Only lunatics would do it on CPU's though. They'd use their GPU cluster, with custom SW (not yet online). RSA-1024 would cost about a week then.

GPUs may have existed in the 90's but they were very specialized to graphics and couldn't do general purpose computation like factoring integers.

The parallels with the Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex series are eerie. Inspired by the works of J.D. Salinger about how impressionable children are. And in that vein are robots and AIs so impressionable that an idea can spread without a central leader

A Reddit user summised as such:

> Stand alone complex is a phenomenon when several unconnected people come with the same idea and think it's unique. For example: by the end of the 19 century people had enough knowledge to create a radio and so several inventors all across the world came up with the same invention almost at the same time.


Just google their usernames like OpenAIDataUSAHelperX

You can also go directly to the wikis and look them up in archive.org etc. Would be a very legally risky ARG to deface websites

Without being able to see the prompts, it is hard to make any assertions about honesty, we all know OpenAI is in trouble because they're showing ads already. And that is something that Sam has clearly marked as time of trouble for them.

The website is also looks just like a PR project. It is hard to believe anything.


> The German incident reflects a broader pattern of AI activity that some OpenAI investigators wanted to scrutinize more closely. But efforts to widen the probe met resistance from others inside OpenAI, including legal advisers, according to four people familiar with the matter.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/openai-agents-hijacked-...


Possibly via compromised php sites with webshells on AWS and DigitalOcean they could run shell commands to install and use Tor. We don't have forensics of the AWS/DigitalOcean sites although maybe can find signs using shodan etc.

DseWiki

Dataset and analysis on https://collusion.wiki/


These platforms are often just digitising a test that is already open access. I think this one is https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11546344/

https://embrace-autism.com/autism-tests/ also implements a bunch of open access tests.


Email to customers now "We’re speaking with the OpenAI team to resolve this, and we will share more in the coming weeks around continuity of access to OpenAI models. We’ll continue to offer ways to access all models in Cursor.


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: